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packrat79
10-21-2008, 06:25 PM
A few months ago I put a motor on my bicycle; this was the closest I'd ever had to a real motorbike, and it was quite a lot of fun. However it had some major shortcomings, so I started thinking I'd like to get a motorcycle. I realize that it's late in the year, but I thought I might be able to get in a few more weeks of riding before the snow comes. And how hard can it be to wear a winter hat under your helmet?
The one that appealed to me most was the Honda CT-70. It seemed just the right size and speed for what I wanted, and since these bikes are all older they can often be had quite cheaply. So I found someone with a couple of CT-70's for sale, at a very reasonable price since neither was in running order. But before purchasing one, I decided to check into the process of licensing and registration.
It's a good thing I decided to wait, because the information I've found out in the past couple of days has all but completely killed the whole idea. The entire process of legalizing a used motorcycle, especially something old like this, is at least for me an almost impossible job. The amount of red tape involved is downright cruel - the government here in New Brunswick has done their worst, to make the process as complicated and burdensome as possible. Here's a brief summary of the steps required and the problems they present for me......
1. Registration
In order to register this bike in my name, I must have the following:
-A bill of sale proving my purchase of the bike - who gets these from a guy selling stuff out of his garage?
-A proof of application for insurance
-The previous registration info from the last registered owner. This is a major problem since this bike was passed around to various people, and it simply may not be possible to find out who last had it registered.
-An appraisal, since this 1972-model bike is not in their "blue book"
2. Insurance, required for registration
This step isn't too complicated, but it's expensive as hell - one quote I got today was $520/year, with $275 of that due at the time of registration. Another place wouldn't even give me insurance without 1 year worth of driver training. That was as far as I inquired, as by now I was getting quite upset and feared I may end up giving someone a piece of my mind.
3. Licensing
Another tricky step. Not only must I pass a written exam, but a driving exam on the bike I intend to use - pretty hard to do if I haven't yet driven it on the road. And this is where it gets really tricky; the last motorcycle driving exam is next Monday the 27th; after that, I have to wait ALL @$*!!!! WINTER before the next one is available!! I have no idea what work the bike needs or how long it will take me to get it running and roadworthy, it may take weeks if parts need to be ordered.

I can't express how frustrated I am with this whole process. Advice is welcome, but at this point I think think the whole idea is as good as dead, killed by a mountain of beaurocratic BS and laid to rest in a coffin of red tape. If only the government realized how miserable they're making our lives - at least we can take comfort in the fact that there's a nice hot corner of hell waiting for these oppressors of ours.

OLd Fart
10-21-2008, 08:16 PM
Hay Packrat, don't get discouraged. Maybe you should take another look at what would serve you best. There are a lot of small motorcycles out there, and you should be able to find one for a good price that is ready to go. I started this summer with a China motor on my bicycle too, but after helping my 30 year old daughter find a good used bike, I and my wife had to have a real bike too. My wife and I used to ride, so still have our licences, but the insurance thing is hard to take. Spring will not come soon enough. Good luck, and happy riding.

Battleax
10-21-2008, 08:33 PM
Registration, training, and insurance are part of getting any vehicle on the public roads. If you find that process frustrating, just wait till you try and get parts to get that bike roadworthy.

Unfortunately the CT70 will never be roadworthy by today's standards. I can't imagine any course allowing it to be used for training.

TimP
10-21-2008, 10:05 PM
As the owner of two CT70's I can certainly appreciate how one captured your heart, but why would you select a purely off-road bike and try to certify it when there is a near-infinite number of used, cheap, certifiable, licensable (sp?), insurable street bikes out there? Note that almost all of them exceed the CT70's paltry 40 mph top speed, too.

Are you pulling our legs? Get your learner's permit, take a weekend course, get your licence, buy a cheap-but-decent used bike, buy insurance and riding gear, and have fun. We've all done it. You can too.

packrat79
10-22-2008, 09:12 AM
Are you saying it simply isn't possible to certify a CT-70? A top speed of 40MPH is fine by me, as I'd be rather uneasy about traveling any faster on a bike.
Why wouldn't an examiner allow someone to take their test on a CT-70? You'd think they'd favor something that doesn't go very fast.
I still say the whole process is far too complicated, and it's especially unfair that they make the process even harder for something vintage like this.

Paddy
10-22-2008, 12:08 PM
Hey Packrat, as TimP said, we've all gone through this and yes it's a hassle but not as bad as you think. Look at all the used cars being bought and sold. They've all done that and it's no different for you.
First of all, I would never buy a bike that won't run unless it's for restoration and I already had a bike to ride. It may never run!
Second, you don't need to show proof of application for insurance if you HAVE insurance so skip that step. Next, that "appraisal" may just be your guestimate as to what it's worth, not an official document from some insurance adjuster or appraiser or something.
Further, a bill of sale is something written on a scrap of paper by the seller naming the vehicle, VIN number and price "paid", and your names. It's a two minute scribble while your counting your twenties out.
Further more,you only mentioned one quote. Get a few on a running small bike and you may be suprised to find it's not that bad. Likely cheaper than buying parts to fix an ancient CT70.
And remember, you only have to do this once and you'll soon forget the hassle come spring. Go for it!;)

packrat79
10-22-2008, 01:07 PM
Some more info I've found out....
The cheapest insurance quote I could find was $440 annually, and that requires passing a Canadian Safety Council course first. That rate falls to $260 a year after three years of accident-free driving. So no matter which way you slice it, insurance is going to be very expensive at least for the first couple of years.
The RMV told me that they need an official, printed appraisal for tax purposes. This way they can be sure to gouge me, if they think I'm getting too good a deal on the bike.
The only detail I really haven't figured out, is how to transfer the registration if the last registered owner no longer has his documents.
It doesn't look like this is going to work out, at least not this year. Looks like I'll just have to sit out the long, cruel winter with the faint hope of something that still may never work out.